Egocity: Developer's Edition

I like your suggestion that webhooks are part of a...

2009-02-18T16:15:00.000-08:00

I like your suggestion that webhooks are part of a progression towards XMPP-based pushing. I agree that there is a lot about HTTP that is designed for the pull case -- what's more is that the mental model in the vast majority of web programmer is setup for the pull case. While the success of webhooks so far suggests that HTTP is pretty flexible, the fact that they are only becoming visible now attests to how much programmers like their existing paradigms.

I predict that the PRESENCE aspect of XMPP will be very useful when people get around to linking up services with XMPP message passing. I think you'd like to know (even before you've got a message to send) if some add-on component of your service is alive and available. In hooks-land, you don't know until its too late that the other end isn't there. Yeah yeah, if stable production sites only post to other stable production sites then you can sorta sweep this issue under the rug, but not having a clear answer for what it means when the other end doesn't answer (or doesn't answer the way you'd expect) means mashups will always be on shaky ground.

When end users start getting hit by the Push Revolution there is going to be a big divide between those people who can easy accept posts natively and those who have to employ weird workarounds to get messages delivered to them. With XMPP this is solved up front because messages for user@host are delivered via server-to-server protocols and the average user isn't expected to have the ability to accept random incoming connections.

We could address these issues for webhooks with conventions for poking hook consumers with are-you-alive?-I'm-just-curious messages that don't count as delivering data (but this would fly in the face of the "just post all of your data to the url" scheme for the general idea of hooks) and making big aggregator/router/proxy thingies for firewalled users to connect out to for hooks to be accepted on their behalf (but then the fact that the proxy responded one way doesn't assure you that the client would respond that way if you hit them directly). But let's not make this part of our roadmap for certain.

Yeah, let's get hooks out there to GET PEOPLE THINKING PUSHY, but let's not say its the end-all solution when we have an existing protocol that comes with some great solutions. Once you get "web application architecture" types thinking with push message, THEN you can tell them about XMPP. Until then its protocol soup.

It's partially a joke :)I'm just generally uncomfo...

2009-02-18T11:27:00.000-08:00

It's partially a joke :)

I'm just generally uncomfortable with the idea of marketing myself like that.

why do the share buttons make you feel dirty?

2009-02-18T10:45:00.000-08:00

why do the share buttons make you feel dirty?

Thank you for Posting this! I love this bar. I use...

2009-02-11T14:31:00.000-08:00

Thank you for Posting this! I love this bar. I used wbar before but it's going to go unstabel by so lots of Icon etc. With AWN is run everything well.

Thanks a lot !

so far
MFG 4k3nd0

For future reference, please use Launchpad for any...

2009-02-09T11:20:00.000-08:00

For future reference, please use Launchpad for any bug reports - applet-specific bugs go to Awn Extras.

@Stephen Gentle:

See the FAQ entry "Why doesn't Awn have the parabolic zoom effect that other docks have?"

@blourg:
We suggest that Ubuntu users use the PPA linked to in the post.

@Vadi: yeah, I'm still working on the whole marketing thing.

Forgot the part where you link to a Digg post: htt...

2009-02-09T06:14:00.000-08:00

Forgot the part where you link to a Digg post: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_dock_Avant_Window_Navigator_0_3_2_released

After the compilation from the sources of the awn ...

2009-02-09T02:15:00.000-08:00

After the compilation from the sources of the awn and the extras, I have this recurrent error:
ImportError: /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/awn/extras/_extras.so: undefined symbol: notify_message_extended

I have a Ubuntu Intrepid.

Does AWN have a nice 'fisheye' zoom effect on the ...

2009-02-09T01:06:00.000-08:00

Does AWN have a nice 'fisheye' zoom effect on the icons like Mac OS X? It's quite nice regardless, although the older version I was using was a little glitchy on startup and some other times...

Woohoo!

2009-02-08T18:32:00.000-08:00

Woohoo!

Great....that's what I'd hoped for.Thanks for the ...

2009-02-02T13:11:00.000-08:00

Great....that's what I'd hoped for.

Thanks for the clarity!! ;-)

Cheers

Bryan said:I'm just curious if the drag & dropping...

2009-02-02T12:10:00.000-08:00

Bryan said:
I'm just curious if the drag & dropping is permanent (i.e. if I grouped all Open Office icons once, would they always auto-group)?

Grouping is not currently written (although it is planned before 0.4.0 is released), but I talked to moonbeam, the author of the proof-of-concept taskmanager (and Awn core dev), and this is what he had to say (paraphrasing for clarity):

At this time I'm expecting the following: there will be a task grouping config option, off by default. When it is active, then it will group windows from the same application (in the libwnck concept). We'll see what that gives us. Ultimately more may be needed to be added to get it the way people want.

Great summary Mark....thanks!I noticed that the dr...

2009-02-02T11:40:00.000-08:00

Great summary Mark....thanks!

I noticed that the drag & drop for grouping may be an issue (or not quite as you'd like it).

I'm just curious if the drag & dropping is permanent (i.e. if I grouped all Open Office icons once, would they always auto-group)?

I'm asking because I believe the proof-of-concept task manager did/does some sort of auto-grouping by application or something to that effect.

I'd certainly not want to have to always drag & drop to group common items ;-)

just my 2 cents....thanks for all the hard work!

Cheers

yea, what he said. Good post, wish for answer.

2009-01-28T22:02:00.000-08:00

yea, what he said. Good post, wish for answer.

Nice summary :)Note that the "make your own debian...

2009-01-17T05:21:00.000-08:00

Nice summary :)
Note that the "make your own debian packages" should work also : http://wiki.awn-project.org/HOWTO:BuildYourOwnDebianPackages

Better than compile it for Ubuntu/Debian users IMO ;)

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2008-11-23T23:26:00.000-08:00

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Another way to get OpenID login support is from th...

2008-11-23T21:44:00.000-08:00

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anonymous(3):Interesting. My solution worked for ...

2008-09-16T09:09:00.000-07:00

anonymous(3):

Interesting. My solution worked for me on Debian Etch. It's too bad I couldn't use the solution you discuss, as a whitelist would be impractical where I used to work.

"-:ALL EXCEPT bob:192.168.0.0/24" didn't work for ...

2008-09-16T01:28:00.000-07:00

"-:ALL EXCEPT bob:192.168.0.0/24" didn't work for me, and the "bob" account could still be accessed from any IP..

However, "+:bob:192.168.0.0/24" in combination with "-:ALL:ALL" works..

Anonymous (1) said:but yet why do you not tell som...

2008-09-10T17:37:00.000-07:00

Anonymous (1) said:
but yet why do you not tell someone what file that config line goes in.

Reread the first line of the third paragraph carefully.

Anonymous (2) said:
why are we limiting bob to a network. this is about limiting an ip to ssh access. wtf are you talking about

Nope, sorry. This is about limiting SSH logins for certain users to certain IP addresses. But thanks for playing!

if I wanted to limit bob to the local networkwhy a...

2008-09-10T16:33:00.000-07:00

if I wanted to limit bob to the local network

why are we limiting bob to a network. this is about limiting an ip to ssh access. wtf are you talking about

bad description, talks about a few file then says...

2008-09-10T16:31:00.000-07:00

bad description, talks about a few file then says The configuration line for that would be:

-:ALL EXCEPT bob:192.168.0.0/24 172.16.0.0/16

but yet why do you not tell someone what file that config line goes in.

Ah, thank you mark!! That makes all the differenc...

2008-02-22T12:52:00.000-08:00

Ah, thank you mark!! That makes all the difference!

Reacocard's repository moved.

2008-02-22T09:12:00.000-08:00

Reacocard's repository moved.

I use Reacocard's repository in Gutsy but there ha...

2008-02-22T07:41:00.000-08:00

I use Reacocard's repository in Gutsy but there hasn't been an update yet to the repository since the 0.2.4 release, and if I click on "About" in the Preferences dialog, it reports that I'm still at version 0.2.1 (plus, none of the new features you talked about are available.) Any clue as to why the repository hasn't been updated yet?

PS: Thanks for you hard work on AWN. :-)

It seems they fixed it. [16:07:53] IMAP4> 4 STATUS...

2007-11-15T07:13:00.000-08:00

It seems they fixed it.

[16:07:53] IMAP4> 4 STATUS "[Gmail]/All Mail" (MESSAGES UIDNEXT UIDVALIDITY UNSEEN)
[16:07:53] IMAP4< * STATUS "[Gmail]/All Mail" (MESSAGES 18740 UIDNEXT 19300 UIDVALIDITY 1 UNSEEN 4210)

Note the quotes in the response :)